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The Problem Of Pleasure
So, I'm reading Orthodoxy by G.K. Chesterton and I start with the introduction written by Philip Yancey. It's got be excited to dive into the classic of Christian apologetics and he poses a question posed by Chesterton.

Christians are often forced to answer the "problem of pain" by athiests for obvious reasons. Simply, "How could a good and loving God allow pain to exist?" It's simple and stunningly complex at the same time and every Christian worth his salt needs to have wrestled with this issue. I have and I believe I've come to a conclusion on the issue.

With that said athiests themselves have a question to ponder as well. The "problem of pleasure." Simply, "In the meaningless and random evolutionary process why did pleasure become necessary?" You don't need to feel pleasure to survive on any level. You don't need pleasure for reproduction or injesting sustinance. We derive pleasure from color yet we don't need to see color for sight to function. And the list goes one and on. So, why is pleasure a necessary step in the evolutionary process?
Posted by Kevin D. on Sunday July 10, 2005 at 3:41am
Adam (mail) (www):
Orthodoxy - You know, I am Orthodox. Not by birthright, as I grew up Quaker. But I converted about 2 years ago.

I asked the same question of an Atheist I knew not long ago. This girl asked me why monogamous marraiages were needed because people are an animal, and animals (for the most part, Geese come to mind as an exception to the rule) are inherently doing what it take to reproduce. In essence, this wanted to justify living the life she chose.

Over and over she asked me why God would make people choose to live against "nature."

And I came to the same question.... why is the "fun" or "pleasurable" way through life the correct choice? Pleasure and fun are unnecsscary. But it got to the point that I couldn;t talk to this person anymore. When it came down to it, authority was the problem (as it is with many atheists). The problem is living your life under some sort of guidelines and authority and coming to terms that no matter what, you aren't in charge of your life.

Besides, I still look at evolution as a theory.... and yet unproven, as it stands today.
7.10.2005 8:08am
Kevin D. (mail) (www):
Did you point out to her the many animal species that mate for life? Additionally, we're humans are not animals. While we have similiar characteristics, being a physical creature, Genesis tells us that we are to be above simple animalism. That we are endowed with a sense of morality and responsibility to God and His gifts to us. If your former friend wishes to revert to her baser animal instincts for purposes of fornication then she should also relieve herself of any moral judgement she may feel toward anything ever. As animals don't reconise morality no should she - on any level. Then proceed to relieve her of any of her posessions you might like for yourself. Animals don't need them nor would they notice their absence.

The arguement goes both ways and frequently these same people want to have it both ways while denying others the same.
7.10.2005 7:44pm
Damon:
Kevin, I recently read the very same book by G.K. Chesterton. While at times I found the read difficult, he makes excellent points and can be very amusing. :)
7.11.2005 10:43pm